Margaret Warrene

Personal and Family Information

Margaret was born about 1378, the daughter of Griffith Warrene and Maude “Mathilda” le Stange. The place is not known.

Her husband was Griffith “Gruffithus” Hill. They were married, but the date and place have not been found. Their two known children were Humphrey (1404-1484) and Philippus (c1410-?).

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Stylename: Warrene, Margaret, de Ightfield [~1378-?]

Note: When her nephew John Warrene de Ightfield [~1375-4 Feb 1413] died, leaving no closer living relatives, Ightfield passed to his brother John, who died after a couple years and then to his sister Margaret. It doesn’t seem to have passed to this Margaret. However, both she and her youngest son Philippus are known as de Ighfield. Looking at this, it is actually likely that both actually lived in the family manor, and thus had the suffix title applied to their names. The Warrene family used the names Griffin and Margaret both to such an extent that it is no wonder genealogists get mixed up trying to trace them.

!Source: The Visitation of Shropshire TAKEN IN THE YEAR 1623 BY ROBERT TRESSWELL, SOMERSET HERALD, AND AUGUSTINE VINCENT, ROUGE CROIX PURSUIVANT OF ARMS;

Marshals and Deputies to William Camden, Calreneux King of Arms. WITH ADDITIONS FROM THE PEDIGREES OF SHROPSHIRE GENTRY TAKEN BY THE HERALDS IN THE YEARS 1569 AND 1584, AND OTHER SOURCES. EDITED BY GEORGE GRAZEBROOK, E.S.A. AND JOHN PAUL RYLANDS, E.S.A., OF THE MIDDLE TEMPLE, BARR1STER-AT-LAW. PART I. LONDON: 1889., p 242 [296 by electronic book]

Gruffithus Hull de Hull in co. Salop: [and of Wlonksslowe] =Margaretta soror Gruffithi Warren de Ightfeld in co. Salop.

NOTE: This explicitly contadicts the below claim regarding:

INCORRECT - Margaret Warren Hill. Margaret de Warren, sister of Griffin Warren, born about 1378 in Shropshire, England, wife of Griffith Hill. She has heretofore been believed to be the daughter of Griffith Warenne but there is no documentation for this, and Griffith Warrenne's family does not include references to her. She has therefore been delinked from him.

!Source: Margaret Hill https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warren-9677

Born 1378 in Shropshire, England

Died [death date?] [place of death?]

Margaret Hill formerly Warren edit

Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown] edit

Wife of Griffith Hill — married [date unknown] [location unknown] add/edit spouses

Mother of Humphrey Hill add/edit children

Biography

Disambiguation

There is more than one Margaret Warren. It is easy to confuse them, and the profiles of each Margaret may contain details which belong to another. For this reason it is important to refer to them by their married names and identify here the salient facts about each. :

Margaret Warren Hill. Margaret de Warren, sister of Griffin Warren https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warenne-116, born about 1378 in Shropshire, England, wife of Griffith Hill. She has heretofore been believed to be the daughter of Griffith Warenne but there is no documentation for this, and Griffith Warrenne's family does not include references to her. She has therefore been delinked from him.

Margaret Warren Browne, Margaret de Warren, born about 1374 in Poynton, Cheshire, wife of Richard Browne, and the daughter of Margaret de Stafford and John de Warenne.

Margaret Warren Mainwaring , Margaret Warren, born 1425 or 1475 in Ightfield, Shropshire, who married William Mainwaring appears to have lived a hundred years later, marrying William in 1499. She was the daughter of either Isabel Warmingham or Isabel Cheney and and either Griffin Warren or John Warren.

Noted genealogist Todd Farmerie notes that the Warenne of Ightfield line, that apparently descends from Warenne of Whitchurch, and in turn from a junior Warenne family, separated from the line of the earls at least as early as the Conquest...as it appears, "is largely bogus. The wives can't be trusted, and the exact connections are dubious. Even the contemporary records are problematic to interpret." This has been discussed extensively in the archives . [1]

1378 Birth

"We Relate" estimates Margaret Warren's birth at 1378, probably Shropshire, England. [2]

A Geni profile estimates Margaret's birth in 1374, but this is a reference to Margaret Warren Brown. [3]

Sibling

The Visitation of Shropshire contains an ancestry for Margaret Warren, however, this is the ancestry of Margaret Warren Mainwaring.

Therefore we do not know who Margaret Warren's parents are.

John Burke, George Ormerod, and the 1623 Visitation of Shropshire all state that Margaret was the sister of Griffith Warren of Ightfeld in county Salop. [4][5]

1400 Marriage to Griffith Hull

Griffith Hull [son of William Hull], of Hull, ... m. temp. Henry IV [between 1399 and 1413], Margaret, sister of Griffith Warren, of Ightfield, in Salop, a younger branch of the old Earls of Warren and Surrey, [4]

In the family of "Will'us Hull [1362]" and ".... Bunting of Buntingsdale" is listed "Gruffithus Hull de Hull in co. Salop [and of Wlonksslowe]" who married "Margaretta soror Gruffithi Warren de Ightfeld in co. Salop." [5]

In different charts of the Shrewsbury 1623 Visitation, both Griffith Hull and William Mainwaring marry a Margaret Warren, sister of Griffith Warren, however, the marriages are a half century or more apart.

Griffith Hull was born, say, 1375, probably Shropshire, England[2]

Griffith Hull's parents were William Hull and Unknown Bunting [2]

They married, say, 1400. [2]

Geni reports that she married Griffith Hill, of Hodnet [3]

Issue

She was the mother of

Humphrey Hill, their son, was born, say, 1410, probably Shropshire, England [2]

Sources

↑ Todd A. Farmerie, Griffith Warren and Matilda Strange. Soc.Genealogy.Medieval October 10, 2010. Accessed November 17, 2017. jhd

↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 We Relate. Griffith Hull and Margaret Warren. http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Griffith_Hull_and_Margaret_Warren_%281%29. Accessed December 15, 2016

↑ 3.0 3.1 Geni Margaret Warren Added by: Jennifer Kathryn Vaughn on February 2, 2008. Managed by: Andrew Dean Kemp and 39 others. Accessed November 17, 2017 jhd

↑ 4.0 4.1 Burke, John, and George Ormerod. A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland enjoying territorial possessions or high official rank: but uninvested with heritable honors. , 1:654. Cited by We Relate. Griffith Hull and Margaret Warren. http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Griffith_Hull_and_Margaret_Warren_%281%29. Accessed December 15, 2016

↑ 5.0 5.1 Treswell, Robert; College of Arms ; J. Paul Rylands; Augustine Vincent; William Camden; and George Grazebrook. The visitation of Shropshire, taken in the year 1623. , 28:243. Cited by We Relate. Griffith Hull and Margaret Warren. http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Griffith_Hull_and_Margaret_Warren_%281%29. Accessed December 15, 2016

See also:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230923234824/http://warrenfamilyhistory.com/

http://www.bigelowsociety.com/rod/warren1.htm - Warren Family History from Bigelow Family Society.

http://www.edmund-rice.org/ - Edmund Rice 1638 Association - Family Genealogical Database and research. - His Ancestors and Descendants.

The Generations of the Warren Family

The New England historical and genealogical register - Volume 64 - Page 353-360. Summarizes the Generations of Robert Warren to John Warren in medieval England.

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Warenne_Family_Ancestry

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!Source: The Visitation of Shropshire, TAKEN IN THE YEAR 1623, BY ROBERT TRESSWELL, SOMERSET HERALD, AND AUGUSTINE VINCENT, ROUGE CROIX PURSUIVANT OF ARMS;

Marshals and Deputies to William Camden, Clarenceux King of Arms. WITH ADDITIONA FROM THE PEDIGREES OF SHROPSHIRE GENTRY TAKEN BY THE HERALDS IN THE YEARS 1569 AND 1584, AND OTHER SOURCES. EDITED BY GEORGE GRAZEBROOK, F.S.A. AND JOHN PAUL RYLANDS, F.S.A.,OF THE MIDDLE TEMPLE, BARR1STER-AT-LAW. PART I. LONDON: 1889. page 242.

Arms:* Harl. 1241.

—

Quarterly : 1, Ermine, on a fesse salle a castle triple-towered

argent; 2, Salle, a lion rampant argent, crowned or, letween three crosses formee

fitchee of the second [Longslow] ; 3, Per pale or and argent, an eagle displayed

salle [Bird] ; 4, Gules, a chevron letween three pheons argent [Hill of

Buntingsdale].

Hugo de Wlonkeslow Hawheslowe [now Longslow].=j=. . . .

Hugo Hullf de Hull in com. Salop.=

Arms: Ermine, on a fesse sable

a castle triple-towered argent.

A

* Not given in Shrewsbury MS.

:Elianora filia

et cohaer.

Isabella fil. et cohseres

uxor Thomas Stuich

[Stuche or Styche].

t " Hill " throughout in Harl. 1241.

A

Will’us Hull [1862].=p[. . . . Bunting of Buntingsdale.]

Gruffithus Hull de Hull in co. Salop:

[and of Wlonksslowe]

=Margaretta soror Gruffithi Warren <<<<

de Ightfeld in co. Salop.

!Source: Ightfield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ightfield

Ightfield is a small village and civil parish in Shropshire, England. The population of the parish at the 2011 census was 529.[1]

Within the civil parish boundaries is another small village - Calverhall.

Ightfield is situated in a rural area, with many of its roots being in farming. In fact, the name could be derived from the Old English 'Ihtfeld' collocated from 'iht'= creature + 'feld'= field. This would be plausible considering the area's long agricultural history. Over the years, the number of farmers in the area has declined, with only a handful remaining. Due to the reduced amount of agricultural activity, the village expanded slightly, with the addition of two new housing estates built on previously agricultural land.

It was mentioned in the hundred of Hodnet as Istefelt in the Domesday Book in 1086.[2] Though not as large as some parishes in the area, it had its own priest, which implies an established community which had its own church. In the 12th century the parish became part of the Hundred of Bradford , and continued so until the late 19th century.

Ightfield had a local public house for travellers to break up their long journeys by horse and cart. It was converted into a private home some years ago.

The church of St John the Baptist, though partly rebuilt in the 19th century, has 15th-century origins. It stands on the northern edge of the village on a small rise. It features gargoyles. The tower contains a peal of six bells, and the father of Shropshire novelist Mary Webb, George Meredith, is buried in the churchyard next to his father Rev. Edward Meredith, sometime rector of the parish.

Ightfield Church is part of a network of five local churches which are within a 6-mile diameter of each other. From Autumn 2023 they will be served by the Reverend Martin Heath, who will reside in the benefice Rectory. The Rectory was for a period of time known as The Amica Centre which was the central administrative hub and a community centre for the AMICA Benefice. The house is located to next to the church.

The benefice website is located at [1].

The loss of the post office in 2002 left the villagers in fear over the economic and structural growth of the village, with many having to buy groceries in the nearby town of Whitchurch. However, this did not hinder the development of multiple new housing estates.

The veterinarian, Tom Leonard, who appeared on Vets in Practice, was raised 4 miles outside the village. He and his young family still reside there. He has a veterinary practice in the nearby towns of Whitchurch and Crewe.

!Source: J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 1-50', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 20, Henry V , pp. 1-13. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol20/pp1-13 [accessed 24 May 2020]. Inquisition Post Mortem of John, son and heir of Griffith Wareyn. Item 16.

!Source: Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 1-50 https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol20/pp1-13

16 JOHN SON AND HEIR OF GRIFFITH WAREYN

Writ 8 June 1413.

SHROPSHIRE. Inquisition. Shrewsbury. 19 June.

He held the manor of Ightfield in his demesne as of fee of the king in chief as an 8th part of a knight’s fee, annual value 10 marks, payable by equal parts at Michaelmas and Lady Day.

He died on 4 Feb. last. Griffin his son and heir is aged 13 years and more.

C 138/1, no. 14

E 149/101, no. 10