Johannis [Hull] / Hill / Harris

Personal and Family Information

Johannis was born about 1442, the son of Henricus [Harris] / [Hull] / Hill and Sionett ap Howell. The place is not known.

He had two marriages/partners. His first wife was Jocosa Acton, who he married in ABT 1461. The place has not been found. Their three known children were John (c1462-?), Thomas (c1463-?) and Robert (c1465-?).

His second wife was Marion, who he married in ABT 1462. The place has not been found. Their three known children were Martha (c1463-?), Adoly (c1464-?) and Johna (c1465-?).

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Stylename: [Hull] / Hill / Harris, Johannis [~1442-?]

!Note: The Shropshire visitation records only John Hill in this generation, omitting his brother Sir Thomas Hill, Lord Mayor of London. This supports the identification of John Hill with the later Hill alias Harris line. Sir Thomas’s will names both “brother John Hill” and “Thomas Harris,” indicating that the family’s alias was already active. The visitation likely captured John under his local form , while Thomas’s London branch retained the Hill name.

!Note: On the Hill / Hull name.

This probably started with Hawkswood. The common scribal abbreviation would be Hauks or even Hask. If the scribe used a long “s” or “ſ”, which can look a lot like an “l” and minimized the “k” flourish, and as also happened a lot, barely wrote the “a”, these can end up looking exactly like Hill or Hull. At some point they likely looked at the written name and decided to use it. Of course the manor may have been on a slight hill as well.

!Source: The Visitation of Shropshire, TAKEN IN THE YEAR 1623, BY ROBERT TRESSWELL, SOMERSET HERALD, AND AUGUSTINE VINCENT, ROUGE CROIX PURSUIVANT OF ARMS;

Marshals and Deputies to William Camden, Clarenceux King of Arms. WITH ADDITIONA FROM THE PEDIGREES OF SHROPSHIRE GENTRY TAKEN BY THE HERALDS IN THE YEARS 1569 AND 1584, AND OTHER SOURCES. EDITED BY GEORGE GRAZEBROOK, F.S.A. AND JOHN PAUL RYLANDS, F.S.A.,OF THE MIDDLE TEMPLE, BARR1STER-AT-LAW. PART I. LONDON: 1889. page 222

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Harris of Stockton

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Henricus Hull al's Harris = Sion'et [Sionett] filia M'red'd ap howll de Geri.

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Joh'es Hill al's Harris de com. Staff. = Jocosa filia Ric'i Acton.

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Johannes Harris de Stockton in com. Salop. = Jonetta filia Simonis Henalt Ar.

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Johan's Harris de Stockton in co. Salop. = Katherin8e fil. Jenkin ap Jem Vychan.

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Joh'es Harris de Stockton in com. = Pernell fil, Joh'is Wyn

Salop Growner of Shropshire. ap Reignold.

and on to 1623 as Harris.

!Source: England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 for Thoma Hille, PROB 11: Will Registers 1384-1566 Piece 07: Logge

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Lord Mayor of London 1484/5

Will of Thomas Hille, Grocer

Page 3.

…, Item I p[ar]don to my nebew John Hille grocer that was

my apprentice xvy£ xiijs iiyd of the + mark the which he oweth me of money

borowed so that he pay to my exe[g]ences the xx£ – being residue of the sending

mark…, Item I bequeath to Marion late[ly] the wiff of my brother

John Hille Xiiis iiyd. Item I bequeath to Martha her daughter and to her children xx£ Item

I bequeath to Adoleyn her other daughter x£. Item I bequeath to Johna his other daughter to-

ward the sustenance of her self and her children the X£ -- of myn with XX£ in the hands

of her brother John Hills…,

Item I bequeath to Thomas Haress somwate

toward the sustenance of hym and his children to the entent that he will take upon

hym the oversight and guiding of the distribution to poynt people of the collec[tion] above,

to be solvyd during the iiii [4] years aforesaid — £20…,

I make and ordeyn myid executor Elizabeth my wiff, Rauf Tilmoy, Richard Walker grocer,

William Doughory, gentleman and my cosyn John Hille grocer, and I bequeth to each of the

said Rauf, Richard, William and John for his labor to be had in thir behalf XX mark and ther

outflow of this my said testament I make and ordeyn Sir Edmond Shaa knyght and

Alderman of London and I bequeath to the same Edmond for his labor to be hadd in that.

!Source: The National Archives' catalogue https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7462327

C - Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions

Division within C - Records of Equity Side: the Six Clerks

C 1 - Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Early Pleadings and Proceedings, Richard II to Philip and Mary

C 1/241 - Chancery pleadings addressed to Henry Dean, Bishop of Salisbury as Keeper of the Great Seal. Detailed descriptions at item level

Catalogue description Short title: Hoggekyn v The Mayor of London. Plaintiffs: Marion, wife of John Hoggekyn....

Reference: C 1/241/51

Description:

Short title: Hoggekyn v The Mayor of London.

Plaintiffs: Marion, wife of John Hoggekyn.

Defendants: The mayor and sheriffs of London.

Subject: Imprisonment in the Counter in Breadstreet on an alderman's commandment obtained by Rawf Newenham and others. Corpus cum causa. London.

SFP

Date: 1500-1501

Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Legal status: Public Record

Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

!Source: The National Archives' catalogue https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7462327

C - Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions

Division within C - Records of Equity Side: the Six Clerks

C 1 - Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Early Pleadings and Proceedings, Richard II to Philip and Mary

C 1/241 - Chancery pleadings addressed to Henry Dean, Bishop of Salisbury as Keeper of the Great Seal. Detailed descriptions at item level

Catalogue description Short title: Hoggekyn v The Mayor of London. Plaintiffs: Marion, wife of John Hoggekyn....

Reference: C 1/241/51

Description:

Short title: Hoggekyn v The Mayor of London.

Plaintiffs: Marion, wife of John Hoggekyn.

Defendants: The mayor and sheriffs of London.

Subject: Imprisonment in the Counter in Breadstreet on an alderman's commandment obtained by Rawf Newenham and others. Corpus cum causa. London.

SFP

Date: 1500-1501

Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Legal status: Public Record

Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

Note: John Hill and his wife Marion match the people and circumstances of the record, while no known Hawkins, Hotchkiss, or Hodgkinson couple fits the same place and time. The spelling “Hoggekyn” likely reflects a scribal variation of related Hawkeswood family names. Once the other possibilities are tested and eliminated, the Hill/Harris family remains the only identification that fits the evidence.

!Source: The National Archives' catalogue https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3976364

STAC - Records of the Court of Star Chamber and of other courts

STAC 2 - Court of Star Chamber: Proceedings, Henry VIII

Catalogue description Short title: Gilberd v Tebott. Plaintiffs: William Gilberd, Richard Bricheman, John...

Reference: STAC 2/23/172

Description:

Short title: Gilberd v Tebott.

Plaintiffs: William Gilberd, Richard Bricheman, John Hyll, George Braunche, Thomas Bateman, and William Rooper, of the town and manor of Snailwell.

Defendants: William Tebott, John Foller, John Wyllson, John Pecocke, Nicholas Wilken, Thomas Hodgekyn, and others, of the town of Fordham.

Subject: Common of pasture, turbary and sedge in the High Fen.

County: Cambridgeshire.

Date: 1509 Apr 22-1547 Jan 28

Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Legal status: Public Record

Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

Notes: Location Fordham, Cambridgeshire is approximately 20.05 miles from Kingston, Cambridgeshire, where Thomas Hotchkiss’ father John [1396–>1485] appears in earlier records.

The John Hyll is likely 6th cousin Johannis Hill / Harris [~ 1442 - ?] located reasonably nearby in London.