Ralph de Baskerville

Personal and Family Information

Ralph was born about 1100, the son of Robert “Roger” de Baskerville but his mother is unknown. The place is not known.

He died in 1149. The place is not known.

His wife was FitzDrogo, who he married in 1145. The place has not been found. Their only known child was Ralph (c1149-c1190).

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Note that this Ralph did not live in the 1200’s, so any references to that time period are not about this Ralph, but his son.

!Source: Drogo FitzPons

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/FitzPons-21

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Drogo FitzPons

Born about 1065 in Normandie, Francemap

Son of Pons Unknown and [mother unknown]

Brother of Hugh de Clifford, Walter FitzPons, Richard FitzPons and Simon FitzPons

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[spouse unknown]

Father of >>> Unknown de Baskerville <<<

Died about 1127 at about age 62 [location unknown]

According to Baskerville accounts, Drogo was killed by his son-in-law, >>> Ralph de Baskerville <<<, in 1127, after which Ralph sought penance with the Pope, and became a monk. [10][11][12]

!Source: AlliedFamilies https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/contents/

geesnmore said, on October 30, 2011 at 6:12 pm

This is probably filled with errors, but I can’t bring myself to just toss it out completely. It is background material that I dug up while searching for the father of Grace Baskerville who married Edmund Gee around 1415 or earlier. Neither the Baskervilles of Eardisley, nor Sir Thomas Beaumont are the correct lines.

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The Baskerville family is a very old Norman family in England. Eardisley in Herefordshire was their earliest home.

Ralph de Baskerville married Sibyl, heiress of Adam de Port and held a knights fee in 1165 of Adam de Port, in Eardisley.

His son,

>>> Sir Robert Baskerville <<<, married Agnes, daughter of Nesta, daughter of Rhys ap Gryfudd, Prince of South Wales.

Their sons were Ralph, Walter died post 1168, Robert, died post 1173, and Richard, died 1177.

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>>>Their Sir Ralph de Baskerville married a daughter of Drogo, Lord Clifford in 1154. He held his lands from the reign of Henry I through inheritance and upon his murder in 1194 in Northamptonshire, his son Roger succeeded to Eardisley, in Herfordshire and his son Thomas succeeded him at Pickthorn, the Shropshire estate. In 1200, Thomas, not yet of age, challenged Roger Fitz William … for that wickedly, and in the King peace, and in felony, and in murder, he slew Ralph de Baskerville his father in his house, and this the said Thomas saw, as he said, being a boy under age, and this he offers to prove against Roger with his body. Another son,

Another son of

>>> Ralph <<< and the

>>> lady Clifford <<< was

>>> Ralph <<< who died in 1186. In Warwickshire is Stretton-Baskerville, which obtained its name from

>>> William d Baskerville <<< who held three fees of Robert, Earl Ferrers honor of Tutbury. In 1208, the last Baskerville to hold Stretton was

>>> Walter <<< grandson of

>>> William <<<

Note: The death estimats above are clearly useless, but might due for birth extimates.

!Source: The Early Baskerville Family, Paul Remfry 2021, The Castles and Political History of Breconshire

https://www.academia.edu/44721344/The_Early_Baskerville_Family

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>>> Ralph Baskerville <<< would seem to have died in July 1186 as at Michaelmas 1188 the

sheriff of Herefordshire accounted for £42 15s for the profits of Eardisley for 2¼ years*53.

Similarly Thomas Fitz Odo paid £8 for 2 years in charge of Willersley, formerly held by

>>> Ralph Baskerville <<<, which Thomas was holding by the king’s writ. The sheriff also claimed £4 15s

for the maintenance of Eardisley castle for the past 2¼ years and keeping serjeants there

*54. During the last year of his life,

>>> Ralph <<< had apparently granted a hide at Woodbury of the fee of

Walter Clifford and other lands as well as 100s of land in Bredwardine to his daughter

>>> Matilda <<<. This was witnessed by

>>> Matilda <<< [St Valery, d.1210] the wife of

>>> William Braose <<<

and

>>> Philip <<< her son *55. Also mentioned was the small mill beneath

Bredwardine castle.

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Sometime, obviously before his death in 1186 and after 1176,

>>> Ralph <<<, with the consent

of his son

>>> Ralph <<<, who was therefore obviously his heir, at least to this land, confirmed Drostre

mill and all the fines that pertained to it, together with the leet above the River Llynfi as it was

and had been held by the Baskervilles from the lords of Brecon. This was sealed in the

presence of Bishop Peter Leia of St David’s 1176-98) and was witnessed by William Braose

and many French, English and Welshmen, clerks as well as laity, before the altar of St John in

Brecon priory*56. Both

>>> Ralphs <<< at another time also granted a wood called Ridgemore in

Bredwardine, up to the road which is between Ridgemore and Fildemore, with about 20

perches of stream called Lembegge up to the road in the wood; and 6 acres of land in the old

town above the ford and land in Weirfurlong . This was witnessed by

William Braose and Matilda his wife , as well as

Abbot Ralph of Wigmore *57. It seems apparent from this that both Ralph

Baskervilles held their fee of Bredwardine from the lords of Brecon and that Brycheiniog

therefore once bordered the River Wye in what is now western Herefordshire.

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For some reason the Crown kept hold of

>>> Ralph Baskerville’s <<< English lands and at

Michaelmas 1189 the sheriff accounted for £10 14s 10d from Eardisley and Combe

Baskerville which had belonged to

>>> Ralph Baskerville <<<*58. The next year the

Shropshire lands of

>>> Ralph <<< were still in royal administration*59. Possibly this year, or the next,

on 26 May 1191,

>>> Ralph Baskerville <<<, the son of the

>>> Ralph <<< who died in 1186, was murdered in

Northamptonshire, leaving a widow,

>>> Nest ap Gruffydd <<< and several children. Certainly this is

what

>>> Thomas <<< claimed when he took the alleged murderer to court in 1201 when he was no

longer under his mother’s custody due to his age *60. Some of

>>> Ralph’s <<< lands eventually passed

to

>>> Thomas Baskerville <<< . From about May 1194 the escheater of Shropshire

accounted for a rent of 8d from Piketorn

>>> Thomae <<< in the pipe rolls. This was Pikethorn, the

>>> Thomas <<< appellation being for

>>> Ralph’s <<< son and heir to that land,

>>> Thomas Baskerville <<<. This

>>> Thomas <<< also tried to regain Staunton on Wye from the Picards of Tretower, but eventually

failed *61 . On his death, apparently without heirs, sometime after 1255, Pikethorn reverted to

his cousin,

>>> Walter Baskerville <<< of Eardisley *62.

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*53 PR 34 Henry II, 214.

*54 Warner, G.F., Ellis, H.J. , Facsimilies of Royal and Other Charters in the British Museum [1903], 65.

*55 British Library, Additional 20408.

*56 Brecon P, 1883, 164 and a confirmation by William Braose , Idem, 158.

*57 Brecon P, 1883, 164-5.

*58 PR 1 Richard I, 145.

*59 Roll of Escheat 2 Richard, 4.

*60 Curia Regis Rolls, 1194-1242 [1922-79] 1189-1201, 435; Placitorum in Domo capitulari Westmonasteriens asservatorum Abbreviatio, Ric I - Ed II, [1811], 67.

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*61 PR 6 Richard I, 139, 143.

*62 CIPM II, No.595.

*63 Rotuli Curiae Regis 1194-99, ed. F. Palgrave [2 vols, 1835], 86, 110.

*64 Curia Regis Rolls, 1194-1242 [1922-79] 1189-1201, 76.

*65 Rotuli Curiae Regis 1194-99, ed. F. Palgrave [2 vols, 1835], 426.

*66 Ep Acts I, 334-5; Brecon P, 1882, 306-7. The dating of the charter is confirmed by it being witnessed by both Giraldus Cambrensis and

Gerald Barry his nephew, while both were working in unison in 1207-8.

*67 Brecon P, 1883, 164 and a Braose confirmation, Idem, 158.

*68 Book of Fees 1198-1293 [3 vols., 1921-31], 145.

*69 RLCl II,441b.

!Source: Ralph de Baskerville

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baskerville-594

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Ralph de Baskerville formerly Baskerville

Born about 1100 in Englandmap [uncertain]

Son of Robert de Baskerville [uncertain] and [mother unknown]

[sibling unknown]

Husband of Unknown de Baskerville — married [date unknown] [location unknown]

Descendants descendants

Father of Ralph de Baskerville and Robert de Baskerville-

Died about 1149 at about age 49 [location unknown]

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Biography

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There doesn't appear to be any certainty about Ralph other than there was a Ralph de Baskerville living in the early part of the 12th Century.

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He may have been a son of a Roger de Baskerville.[1]

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He may have been a son of Robert de Baskerville.[2]

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He may have married a daughter of Drew FitzPons of Clifford.[1]

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He may have married a daughter or Robert Stafford.[2]

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He may have died 1148/1149.[1]

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He may have died 1136-1142.[2]

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Possible Children:

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Robert de Baskerville[1][2]

Ralph de Baskerville[1][2]

Walter de Baskerville[2]

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Coplestone-Crow[1] stated that a son of Ralph, also called Ralph, "married a Welsh lady, Nest, whose precise parentage is unknown, and was murdered in Northamptonshire in 1190 or 1191. Ralph had all his father's lands in Breconshire, Bredwardine and possibly Laysters in Herefordshire and a manor in Northamptonshire." See Ralph de Baskerville

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According to Burke[3] the Ralph Baskerville who married a "daughter of the Lord Clifford" was a son of a Robert Baskerville and Agnes, daughter of Galfred Rees.

A Duel

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Ralph, son of Roger, supposedly married a 'Clifford, daughter of Drogo'. The two men duel, and Ralph kills his father-in-law in 1127.[4]

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"there are other pieces of evidence - eg. Vatican Library - which record Ralph's visit to Rome in penance which then included the donation of parts of his lands to the founding of Gloucester Abbey where he ended his days as a monk"[5]

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It is related that "In the reign of Henry II. Sir Ralph Baskerville, of Aberedw, married a daughter of Lord Clifford, of Clifford Castle. A violent quarrel respecting some property arose between the father and the son-in-law, of which the former rudely and unjustly dispossessed the latter.

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Coplestone-Crow wrote:[1]

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"A challenge ensued, and they fought at a place near Hereford, where afterwards a white cross was erected, which stood in Queen Elizabeth's time, and then was pulled down by one Gernons. The event of this battle was fatal to Lord Clifford, and Sir Ralf purchased from the Pope a pardon for killing his father-inlaw."